Vision, Delegation, Scale, and Growth with Bryan and Shannon Miles - Part 2
That's one thing that we're very much emphasizing with owner is that the whole you has to show up and that it's all gotta work together. You can't be wildly successful in business and wreck your life or have a a relationship with your kiddos or your wife. Like, that doesn't equal success. And I think that that's some of the issue with, like, this rock star off newer thing that's out there. It's it's like, look at my private jet and my yacht.
Bryan Miles:And, you know, I have a helicopter that takes me from my private jet to my yacht. And it's like, no, that's not everybody's definition of success. That is one person's definition of success. Success for you might be that you have a happy family and you have a successful business or you have the ability to take care of your aging parents because you have the time and the money and you have a successful business. Right?
Bryan Miles:So for me, personal success must come with, you know, professional success and and vice versa. Like, there there are two things that must work interchangeably.
Alex Judd:Well, hey there. I'm Alex Judd, the founder of Path for Growth, and this is the Path for Growth podcast. As a business, we exist to help impact driven leaders like you step into who they were created to be so that others benefit and God is glorified. Let's go. Well, welcome back.
Alex Judd:This is part two of our conversation with Brian and Shannon Miles. And if you haven't listened to part one, I wanna make sure you do that. But we'll just do a brief rundown of their bio before we get into what we're gonna talk about with part two. They cofounded BELAY, a virtual staffing company, in 2010. They exited majority ownership of that company in 2021, but are still minority stakeholders.
Alex Judd:BELAY continues to grow, thrive, and make an impact around the country. Since then, they've now launched a brewing company called Nofo Brewing that has multiple locations. They're also part owners of a soccer club in The UK because, of course, they are. And they're deeply invested in the growth of companies around the country and real estate through their holding company, Miles AG. Beyond that, Brian and Shannon are smack dab right now in the launch of a new nonprofit that is entirely dedicated to serving business owners.
Alex Judd:It's called Oner. That's o apostrophe n r. We're gonna talk about that some in the episode today, and then I'm gonna highlight how you can follow along with Oner at the end of this episode along with doubling down on the special announcement that we have regarding our involvement with Brian and Shannon moving forward. Today's episode, we're diving into two topics that are especially relevant for business owners. We're gonna talk about scaling a business because that's an area where it can be so easy to unnecessarily get bruised and battered, and it's something that Brian and Shannon just have a wealth of experience in.
Alex Judd:And then we're gonna talk about personal growth in the life of a business owner. This is something that they care deeply about, and I think their perspective is really, really gonna add value to you. So with that, let's jump into the content. Make sure you stay on for the end because we're gonna double down on how you can get involved with owner and the special announcement that I really wanna share with you. Here's part two of my conversation with Brian and Sheena Myers.
Alex Judd:Okay. Let's shift. And this kind of goes from vision and growth and expansion really well to something very practical for business owners, which is delegation. And I'd like to start with a very specific question. In y'all's journey, the multiple businesses you've owned, what has been the hardest thing for y'all individually to delegate?
Alex Judd:And I think I'm asking that question both from an emotional standpoint because it was, like, hard to let go of emotionally. And then what was just really hard practically? Like, it's really hard to hand off this specific type of task or responsibility. I'd love to hear both of y'all's thoughts on that.
Bryan Miles:For for me, it was, handing off sales. I love sales. I'm a great salesperson. And it was really hard for me to hand that off. But it it was also necessary because at that time, I realized this was becoming a lower payoff activity in our business, and I needed to be and we needed to be elevated in our, you know, our duties to grow the business at a different level.
Bryan Miles:And it it just kinda got to a place where sales became a lower payoff activity for me personally. But it was I love sales. I I still love sales. I just I love salespeople because all the great salespeople do is they just help people. You know?
Bryan Miles:And I just I loved it.
Alex Judd:Can we zoom in on that one? And then I'd love to jump into yours, Shannon. Okay. You're you love sales. You're great at sales.
Alex Judd:You've come to the realization that you need to delegate it. Is the thing that key like, holds you back or makes it difficult that it's like, I don't know how to train people on this. Or is it that, like, I love this and I wanna hold on to this and it's hard to let go.
Bryan Miles:I can train it all day long. I mean, I led sales teams. I can train salespeople. I just enjoyed it. But see, that's that's it too.
Bryan Miles:I also I enjoyed the win connected to it, and I needed to delegate that joy as well as the activity. And and it it because, like, I I kinda hate this cliched thing, but it's like, you need to only do what only you can do. Well, at that point in our business, there were only a handful of things that Shannon and I needed to be doing that would really grow and excel the business, and we needed to hand off everything rest. And that's that's the difference, honestly, between what we see in our in our kind of our, archetypes of of business owners is that's the difference when someone goes from being an entrepreneur to a CEO. Mhmm.
Bryan Miles:As they they go, oh, I get it. I I am now going to empower people to take on my duties so that I can really focus on the things that only I can do. And that's when they really become the CEO of their business. It's not the first day when they put that on their on their business garden. It's when they start to hand off things that they have been doing in a meaningful way that will impact and scale the business.
Alex Judd:What did the handoff timeline of sales look like? Like, how long did it take you? And is there eighteen oh, eighteen months. And what did you what did you learn in that time of eighteen months that you now apply to the way you delegate things or that you would share with others?
Bryan Miles:It's easy to delegate now for me. I hand off so many crazy things to to delegate. I'd and now I if I choose to hang on to something because I just really like it and I wanna do that, but it's not because it's tied to a business. It's more on the personal side. You know, I love designing, homes and and, like, the things we do, and I like to take on the ownership of that.
Bryan Miles:It's because I love it. And that's not necessarily a business centric thing. So, in business, I'm happy to hand off just about everything. I mean, there's a handful of things that I know I need to pay attention to because I'm the leader, and I have to see it this way. And I have to look at that thing because you should expect me to take ownership of those tasks.
Shannon Miles:Well, I think you delegated the the blocking and tackling of sales after that eighteen month period. And you you trained the sales team on how to manage their funnel and how to structure a sales call and what Socratic selling looked like and
Bryan Miles:Comp plans.
Shannon Miles:Email campaigns and comp yeah. Exactly. All that stuff. But then your sales focus just evolved into networking. And you were doing that all along the way, but it became all the more of your focus, which is sales too.
Shannon Miles:That's true. You know? Not that networking relationships are transactional, but you're investing in future sales funnels and affiliates and things like that. So I think it just changed for you from being more blocking and tackling to a higher level view of what sales look like in our organization.
Bryan Miles:Mhmm.
Alex Judd:So in some ways, like, re repurpose. Like, you still had an in some ways, an outlet to do the things you loved maybe. It just it found its way in service of the organization in a different avenue. Does that feel right, Brian?
Bryan Miles:Yeah. It does. I think, you know, something else I just thought of, a lot of leaders, they don't delegate because they want they wanna hang on to that thing, like booking their travel or something kind of simple. It's because in their life, otherwise, as a business owner, they don't solve a problem that can be done in fifteen minutes. Their their problems are thirty days to six months to kind of resolve, so they never get that sense of completion.
Bryan Miles:So that's why they hang on to these lower payoff activities is because they get a sense of completion. They get a dopamine hit that they otherwise don't get. And that's we've seen that happen a ton with you know, like, they're like, oh, I like to book my travel or I like to mow my grass or I like to and that's great. But the reason why you're doing that is because you get a sense of completion that as a business owner, you don't otherwise get because the things you're solving are so far. You know, there's such a a long tail to to kind of bring them to resolution.
Alex Judd:It's one of the reasons, again, why I'm so excited about what y'all are building. And, spoiler alert, y'all are joining us in Austin for Long Game Leadership. Our experience coming up at the October, that's gonna be blast too. Because one of the things we're gonna talk about is, like, in those things that do take minimum ninety days to accomplish and maximum three years to accomplish, how are you staying encouraged and faithful whenever you're like, am I applying my time, energy, effort to something that's actually gonna pay off? You need outside encouragement.
Alex Judd:It's not even a want or a preference thing. It's like you have to have it. And that's why that community piece of what y'all are building is so, so crucial. Shannon, how about you? Practically, emotionally, what was the hardest thing to delegate?
Shannon Miles:Leadership.
Alex Judd:Leadership. And and Yeah. What when you say leadership, what did that look like practically?
Shannon Miles:Well, the way we built BELAY is entirely different than the way we built NOFO. From day one, excuse me, we knew that we did not wanna be in the day to day of NOFO, but we were directly funding it and investing it. So we worked side by side with our CEO to launch the company, to get all the systems in place, to hire all the right people. And then as the years progressed, we developed a leadership team. And we, Brian and developed a leadership team.
Shannon Miles:And we, Brian and I, have never been as deep into that business as we were with BELAY, which which means we never have led side by side with the CEO of NoFo like we all grew up as leaders together at BELAY. And so there was this leading, you know, with with the person that would eventually replace you, that you worked day in and day out with. You were in the meetings together. You were making the decisions together. So it was a more natural handoff when it was time to replace ourselves in BELAY.
Shannon Miles:But with NOFO, it has been delegated leadership from day one intentionally. But for me, that's the thing that I love the most about business ownership. I freaking love leading. I love seeing people develop. I love seeing them grow.
Shannon Miles:I love seeing them be able to accomplish things that would have seemed impossible and take on challenges that, you know, they're using borrowed confidence to to achieve. Like, I love that part of it. And so that has been, in this season of my life, the most difficult thing to to delegate and let go of. And it's been sort of a balancing act of how much do I dive into leadership of NOFO, and how much do I lead through the CEO who has done a great job but is not me. You know?
Alex Judd:Mhmm. Sure.
Shannon Miles:So that's on the professional front, that's been the most difficult.
Alex Judd:Yeah. What are some of the things that you've learned or recognized that gave that have given you the ability to do that with increased effectiveness over time?
Shannon Miles:Having really real and raw conversations with with Joe and just, you know, deciding which battles to pursue, and just, you know, letting him lead in a way that's true to him, but also saying, you know, I observe this situation and I have a coaching opportunity for you, And I would like to see you consider, you know, if this is something that you can address with this team member or whatever. And so it's a real like I said, it's a really delicate balance of, like, saying something and interjecting my thoughts and opinions as the owner and as somebody who is passionate about leadership and personal development, balanced with respecting him as a leader and honoring the approach that he has taken. And so we always work through it. Like I can't ever think of a situation where it's been like, Do this and, you know, come report back to me on how it's worked. We just have the conversation together.
Shannon Miles:And ultimately, I have to just trust him as a leader and support him and remove any roadblocks that he has to lead his team because, ultimately, he's he's at the helm, and he's doing a great job.
Alex Judd:Yeah. Is there anything y'all have learned in terms of, like, a filter for, like, like, when do I speak up and, like, voice my opinion versus when do I bite my tongue and, like, not say anything? Anything y'all reflect on or principles that y'all leverage as it relates to that?
Shannon Miles:I have to sleep on it. Really?
Alex Judd:I have
Shannon Miles:to sleep. Seriously. Yeah.
Alex Judd:I mean, that takes an insane amount of I mean, my issue is that if I say I have to sleep on it, I just end up not sleeping and I think about it all night. So, like yeah. Are you saying you have to sleep on it to really make a wise decision on what you should do? Is that what you're saying? Yeah.
Shannon Miles:Yeah. I mean, I view leadership coaching opportunities as big things. And I don't think that Anytime I've knee jerk reacted something's irritated me and I think it needs to change and I've reacted quickly, I haven't liked the way that I've handled it. And so if I observe something and then I sleep on it and I wake up the next day and it's still there, then I'm usually able to run it through a lens of, like, thoughtfulness and compassion and perspective that I didn't have the day before.
Bryan Miles:Yeah. I'm the exact opposite. I think a good throat punch is perfect. Well, I'm just a different leader then. I really respect your approach.
Bryan Miles:I just I trust my gut a lot. And and I might be wrong and have to go back and apologize, but I feel like I have good instincts in business. And when I see something, I'm not gonna wait very long because we gotta say something. But I that's my approach. It's not the approach.
Bryan Miles:And so I I and I see her do that, and I respect it. I'm just like, I can never do that.
Alex Judd:Yeah. You know? Is there a way that you deliver feedback so that you don't just, like, crush people? Like, is there things that you focus on in terms of tone or in terms of the way you phrase it, or is it expectation setting? What does that look like, Brian?
Shannon Miles:Yeah. Honey, how do you handle that?
Bryan Miles:I I I generally will go to I mean, if if I see something happen in the moment, then I'll just address it with that person. But if it's a leadership thing, I'm gonna go to the leader and say, hey. It's you gotta fix this, or there's something off here. Something's askew. I need you to look into this.
Bryan Miles:Or we keep seeing this thing. Why is this continuing to happen? This is a leadership thing. And then also teaching principles along the way of, like, hey. Some things are just tensions to manage, and then there's some things in business that are just problems to solve.
Bryan Miles:And this problem should remain solved, and it's not. And I'm getting irritated, and I want you to know that because it's time for you to fix it. So there's there's things like that that we're our approach is different, but I think that we're equally as effective.
Alex Judd:Yeah. We probably balance each other out really well. Let's go to scaling. That's the next topic I wanted to hit on, after delegation. I'd love to just set you up for an illustration that you share with me many times, and and the phrase that you often use is white water seasons.
Alex Judd:So can you kind of give people a picture of what you're talking about there and why it's so important for business owners to understand?
Bryan Miles:Yeah. There's a book out called Predictable Success. And in that book, there's seven stages of a business life cycle, if you will. And one of the early on ones is called Whitewater. And what happens when a business gets started and a business owner gets underway, there's a season of, like, yeah, it's kind of early struggle, but then they find this place of fun.
Bryan Miles:And in that stage, things are kinda moving along, and they're, you know, they're making money, and people are happy, and customers are happy, and it's just a fun season. But then if they wanna go to the next level, they have to go through the stage called white water. And oftentimes, a lot of business owners will go, I'm not doing that. I'm not going into white water. I'm gonna stay in that fund.
Bryan Miles:And they limit themselves. And but that's okay. Some that's their that's their decision. They just stay in that kind of that bump up against white water and go, I'm not getting in it. But to get into a place where you replicate your business and to you scale it up, you have to get into white water and kind of battle your way through it to get to an area in what he calls in the book of predictable success.
Bryan Miles:And then if you kinda move past predictable success on the other end of the spectrum, it feels like a like a dial, if you will. You start to get into a place where you don't wanna be. So the goal is to kinda bounce back into whitewater to embrace change, to to kinda go through a tough season of growth in your business. So it it's Whitewater is a very important part of your business that exercises the muscle of change that's necessary for you to continue to grow.
Alex Judd:I I would love to know from both of you, like, what has characterized seasons of Whitewater for you? Like, is it decisions? Is it conversations? Actual things that occur that enter you into those whitewater seasons?
Shannon Miles:Scale. I mean, anytime you're trying to scale something and, go, I don't know, hypothetically speaking, from one location of a brewery to three in one year, that was very that was very white watery. And it's funny because it's it's kind of a double edged sword because that you know, those kind of scalable opportunities and acquisitions and let's open this new location, that's the kind of stuff that gets the team excited. You know? They're like, let's freaking go.
Shannon Miles:Let's storm the the gates, and let's do this. And then you commit to these things and then the practicality of making them successful with the resources that you have in place can be very tumultuous. And, you know, as you get into the, Okay, how are we going to operate all of these with success and ensure that everything is up to the quality and standards that we had when we had one location, like, that can be a lot for a leadership team to navigate. And so, you know, just like with whitewater rafting, right? Like you can't stay in the class fours and fives forever.
Shannon Miles:That's right. You've got to, you know, focus all of your energy on getting through that season knowing that once you're through those rapids, you're gonna find calmer waters.
Bryan Miles:Mhmm. And I
Shannon Miles:think it's incumbent on leaders to recognize that you need those seasons of rest after periods of quick scaling and whitewater so that your team can recover, so that you can rest, so that you can celebrate what you just went through and catch your breath.
Alex Judd:Is it is it fair to say it's kind of like saying, hey. We're gonna opt in for a season of what feels like chaos?
Shannon Miles:Yeah. I think that's a really good way to put it. Yeah. Like, going into it eyes wide open. You know, anytime you scale, whether it's, you know, one to three locations or even just adding on a new service line in your business, there's gonna be some level of chaos in it because there's a lot of unpredictability.
Shannon Miles:Like, you just there's no guarantees when you take a risk of how it's gonna turn out. You can mitigate risk. You can do your analysis, like Brian said earlier, and go into it fully educated. But we can't control all the variables that go into business ownership, right? That's obvious.
Shannon Miles:And so you're gonna have chaos. And so just expecting that and setting the team up for, you know, acknowledgment of that and making sure that they've got the energy to to go into that season of chaos is really important as leaders.
Bryan Miles:Yeah. I think I think that that white water can also look like what we call the chasms when we're talking about it from an owner standpoint is, you know, these chasms happen around 1,000,000 in revenue, 5,000,000 in revenue, 10,000,000, 20 million, and 50,000,000. And for you to go from one to five, oftentimes, the things that got you to to one will not be the things that get you to five. And the things that got you to five will not be the things that get you to 10,000,000. And so you have to go through these seasons of white water where you almost have to break everything and and cast net new vision and, like, to go to the next level.
Bryan Miles:We've seen it in, in our businesses, but we've also seen it in plenty of other businesses as well. It it creates this natural white water that you have to navigate.
Alex Judd:Are there ever reasons where you know, you're like, man, the way that we continue to move this thing forward is enter the white water, embrace the chaos for a season. Are there ever reasons where you would say it might be wise to hold off and, like, to not opt in just whenever you can or whenever you start to see it? Anything stand out there to y'all?
Shannon Miles:I think people do that. We don't do that well.
Alex Judd:Yeah. Is that right?
Shannon Miles:Honestly. I think we're getting better at it, you know, but we're just both very ambitious people, and we've been able to, you know, bite off more than we can chew and and figure it out as we go. But, you know, back to what we talked about earlier with our three year focus to freedom, I think we're learning how to do that and say, okay. Yeah. This is theoretically something that we could pursue or an opportunity that's been presented, and we could do this.
Shannon Miles:But I don't think we should opt into that chaos right now. Like, it's not going to get us any closer to our focus to freedom. And I think that's where having vision for your overall life matters. And that way, you can run your business decisions through that filter as well.
Alex Judd:Yeah. Brian, it was a couple of phone calls ago that we had that I I remember I was wrestling through a decision. It was a people decision that you kind of shared the white water illustration with me. You were like, you know, what you're viewing is this decision of whether or not you wanna enter the white water. And I shared with you, hey.
Alex Judd:Lily is gonna be born. I think it was, like, within a month is where we were at. And I remember you sharing with me, like, that might be a good reason to wait. Like you might wanna and I think that was really good advice. And Aspen and I ended up talking about it and Aspen, I really valued her perspective too, because she said, I think it would be more stressful for you and by extension us for you to sit on this till after.
Alex Judd:Yeah. I think it would be better for us to just say like, trust God, do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may. Yeah. And but a little bit of the freedom of feeling like, man, we don't have to do this right now. It's a decision was so, so, so helpful.
Alex Judd:So I was really grateful for that advice. Okay. Well, let's go to personal growth then. I know this is like well, we say all the time, if you wanna put your business in order, start by putting yourself in order. We are, like, deeply passionate about personal growth for business owners being its own independent thing that they have to focus on.
Alex Judd:And I know that that's actually a cornerstone of owner as well. Like, y'all are really, really invested in the personal health, personal growth of business owners. Why is it that this particular area deemed such a high degree of importance for the audience that you are seeking to serve with this new organization?
Shannon Miles:I think, for me, it goes to what you mentioned earlier with, you know, there's all these personalities online and and these aspirational business owners that are flashy, and you can have it all and, you know, 10 x ing everything. And it's when it leaves this it leaves this almost like a false summit feel to me of what success looks like, when in reality, you know, a lot of those people might be on their third or fourth marriage and have no relationship with their children. And, you know, I can't think of anything worse than if we would have gone through our journey with BELAY and at the end of the day said, I can't be with you anymore. We got you know, like, all of the success with business has crushed us, and we can't we can't stay together. Like, I can't think of anything more devastating than that for me in my life.
Shannon Miles:So when I think about, you know, the opportunity to educate business owners on the importance of personal growth and the importance of leading yourself before you can lead other people, doing the deep work that business ownership requires of you. I mean, nothing has challenged my personal development more than having to lead an organization where I'm up there casting vision and leading from the stage if I don't have my stuff together. You know, so nothing has challenged me more than that. And I think business owners are busy. You know, we have a lot on our plates, we have a lot that we're responsible for, and it can be really easy to just put some of those important but not urgent tasks, so to speak, aside and not put in the time to grow personally because it feels like I've got all these other really urgent, in my face things to do.
Shannon Miles:And we just want to educate business owners to be like, No, that is your most important work, is to is to work on yourself and make sure that you're in a state of growth and that you're doing the deep work that is required of you to be the kind of person that you wanna be, not just the kind of business owner that you wanna be.
Alex Judd:If we got rid of all the businesses tomorrow, right, pray pray to God that doesn't happen, but if we did that, are there personal growth rhythms that y'all would want to maintain independent of any business ownership or anything like that? But you would just say, just for me to be a whole and healthy person, these are things that I want to consistently and regularly do. What stands out for you all?
Bryan Miles:The self care element, whether that's journaling, reading, praying, meditating, working out, investing in other people personally or, you know, through mentoring, and then pursuing your relationship with God. I think that those are massively important things that are equal in value to you growing in business, not subject to or smaller than. And that's one thing that we're very much emphasizing with owner is that the whole you has to show up and that it's all gotta work together. You can't be wildly successful in business and wreck your life or have a poor relationship with your kiddos or your wife. Like, you just that doesn't equal success.
Bryan Miles:And I think that I think that that's some of the issue with, like, this rock star entrepreneur thing that's out there. It's it's like, look at my private jet and my yacht. And, you know, I have a helicopter that takes me from my private jet to my yacht. And it's like, no. That's not everybody's definition of success.
Bryan Miles:That is one person's definition of success. Success for you might be that you have a happy family and you have a successful business, or you have the ability to take care of your aging parents because you have the time and the money and you have a successful business. Right? I mean, there's so for me, personal success must come with, you know, professional success and and vice versa. Like, there there are two things that must work interchangeably.
Bryan Miles:Shannon, any rhythms or practices, like, as it relates
Alex Judd:to personal growth that, like, have been really valuable for you?
Shannon Miles:Yeah. I think the journey that I started on in 2021 was one that I will continue on for the rest of my life in that, you know, I'm prioritizing reading and learning about things that I think are going to help me grow into the person that I'd like to become. And I'm shifting from focusing on what I want to accomplish and more on who I want to be. We go to an amazing church and I've gotten a tremendous amount of value out of it, but it's very seeker friendly. And so I needed to find another outlet that wasn't a small group to dive into the Bible and develop my faith.
Shannon Miles:And so doing Bible study with a girlfriend of mine will be a rhythm that I keep, learning more about the Holy Spirit. And for me, I've always loved psychology. It was one of my majors in college and always learning about, quote, unquote, new, like a forty year old concept of, like, internal family systems and knowing now my parts and things that I used to think were just my personality, and I'm recognizing them as parts of who I am that I can relate to where they live in my body, how old they are, from my childhood. And, honestly, like, that has been something that, in the past year, has given me more growth and understanding and peace than I've had in a long time.
Bryan Miles:Wow.
Shannon Miles:And for me, those two things are related because the concept is, like, you've got your parts, but then you have yourself that is over and above and should be driving the bus for, you know, for all of these parts. And for me, that's the Holy Spirit. And so integrating and alchemizing some of these things that I've learned over the years and then putting them into practice has been a rhythm that I will definitely wanna continue.
Alex Judd:Praise God. Thanks for sharing that. My goodness. I I could talk for another hour and a half, but unfortunately, we don't have that much time. Before the final question, I wanna make sure people know, like, we are, knocking on the door of this thing called owner launching.
Alex Judd:It's so exciting. It's o apostrophe n r. I love that because it's got a little bit of attitude to it. Swagger, baby. That's right.
Alex Judd:I think I'm speaking correctly when, I say, like, the next best action is to get on the wait list, because, like, the official launch happens here in the next week or so. So we'll put the link to join the wait list in the show notes. And I hope I'm allowed to say this. The first thing that y'all are releasing is, like, a full length documentary that's literally focused on business owner stories. And, y'all, I I I haven't been privileged to see the whole thing yet, but I've seen snippets and gosh, the production quality, the storytelling, like, it's just so cool.
Alex Judd:It's so exciting to see something that you're like, oh my gosh, this is the type of thing that I would watch on a Netflix or on Amazon, but it's entirely around the topic of business ownership and it's equally entertaining and educational. It's just like thrilling. So so I'm I'm subscribed. I'm in if you can't tell. And and, next best step is to get on the wait list so that you find out about that because that's gonna be really cool.
Alex Judd:And then as we already shared, Brian and Shannon are gonna be joining us in Austin at the October. That event is almost 70% sold out, which is awesome, but we still have spots left. Yeah. I don't think I've shared that with y'all yet. Specifically for impact driven leaders that own or run a business, and we're gonna be focusing on long game leadership.
Alex Judd:So one of the topics that we didn't get into on this podcast that I know Brian and Shannon are deeply passionate about is the topic of legacy. And particularly, I haven't shared this with y'all yet, but that's one of the things that I wanna get into in our session with you, if that sounds good.
Bryan Miles:Yeah. That sounds great.
Alex Judd:Very cool. Final question to y'all before we close out. If you're sitting down with someone and they do own a business and they're in a spot where they would just say, hey, I know I'm where I'm supposed to be, but honestly, I feel kind of discouraged. Like there's those seasons where it's way easier to see the things that are wrong than it is to see the things that are right. What would you want them to know, and what would you tell them to do?
Alex Judd:And I'd love to hear from both of you in this.
Bryan Miles:I would probe to find out why they were discouraged. And oftentimes, the reason why they're discouraged is because they don't have owner's intent. They're just discouraged because something's gone wrong in the business or some system or process has gone haywire or cash flow's an issue, and they're not aiming at something bigger than that moment. And so I would probe and see, okay. Well, what is it?
Bryan Miles:And see if there's something that we could kinda, you know, look at for them to explore. But I would do my very best to go, okay. Now time out. Look up. Where do you want to head with this business?
Bryan Miles:And try and reorient them towards the long term vision of where they're going with it. So that's that's what I would do.
Shannon Miles:I think that's the perfect place to start. And I think also reminding them that the season of discouragement is just that. It's a season. It's not going to last forever. And no personal development comes without struggle.
Shannon Miles:No breakthroughs in your business come without struggle. And so these seasons of disappointment or just some discouragement, number one should be expected. And number two are our time limited. And so finding ways to care for yourself during those seasons and maybe making changes that are important to get you back on track with the, with your intent that you have for the business, or even taking time to define what that is, I think are super important. And just calling it out.
Shannon Miles:Sometimes just saying the thing helps shrink it down to its proper size. It's when it grows inside of us and lives in our brains and has no outlet, and this disappointment and discouragement can become so oversized when we don't speak it, when we don't share it, when we don't allow other people to help us process it. So I would encourage that, the person in that space to just don't do it alone.
Alex Judd:Mhmm. Man, so good. Well, I'm so grateful, number one, for y'all's just investment in me because that, breathes life into what our business and mission is today, but then also just for you generously sharing your time. And I just I'm so excited for everything that y'all are building and everything that God's going to do in and through it. So thanks so much, y'all.
Shannon Miles:Thank you for allowing us on. Really, this is an exciting time for us to launch this, and we're grateful that you gave us this platform even in the beginning as we're figuring it all out. But, yeah, super in line with the work that you're doing and and are incredibly proud of you, Alex. Thank you.
Alex Judd:Well, man, that conversation was just so powerful and so grateful for their example, for their investment in me personally, and for their willingness to share their perspective with all of you. I hope that you found value in that. As we've already stated, they are launching owner right now. I think they're literally, as we release this podcast, in the middle of the media tour associated with it. And I'm telling you, this thing's coming like a tidal wave.
Alex Judd:So you know that if you're following along with everything they're doing. But if you're not yet, what's so cool is that they have now released the feature length documentary that is kind of marking the launch of this new movement, this new mission. And it's so cool because the the production quality is just unbelievable. The time, attention to detail, intentionality that really went into crafting stories and and focusing on the relational side of what it means to be a business owner and what that actually authentically looks like. It's so, so, so well done.
Alex Judd:And the principles that you can extract and the things that you can learn and the inspiration that you can draw is just so powerful. If you want to get that documentary and also follow along with all of the insane amount of free value that they're just giving away right now, make sure you click the link that's in the show notes. That also brings us to the other announcement. Brian and Shannon are going to be joining us, the Path4Growth community, in Austin, Texas in October. Y'all, I am just so excited that they're going to be there for this.
Alex Judd:They're good friends of mine. They're mentors of mine. And it's going to be so cool for us to ingrain their perspective into this entire session on long game leadership. That experience is over 70% sold out now. It's gonna be such a powerful time for leaders to get together and really say what would it look like for us to level up in terms of the way that we are playing the long game?
Alex Judd:If you're someone that owns or runs a business or you have decision making responsibility in a business, I would love for you to be there. If you've got any questions, you can either check out our website or click the link that's in the show notes or just reach out to our team, and we'd be happy to jump on the phone with you. There's only so many spots left. So if you do wanna join us in Austin, the time is now. Y'all know this.
Alex Judd:We're rooting for you. We're praying for you. We wanna see you win. Remember, my strength is not for me. Your strength is not for you.
Alex Judd:Our strength is for service.
Bryan Miles:Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
